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jiehong 2 hours ago [-]
For those not trying, this allows Deepseek to understand a picture (instead of just extracting text from it), and it can describe what's in the picture, but this is not an image generation system, so you can't ask it to modify an image.
Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are quite a few in the open).
paulluuk 2 hours ago [-]
Can you explain what the benefits are of actually "talking" with the bot instead of typing and reading?
As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.
itake 43 minutes ago [-]
I am someone that prefers a slack message to a coworker than talking to them and I use AI.
My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it.
Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (which is way faster for them).
When communicating with AI, its the same thing, except I skip the second step since AI does a good job at understanding my ramblings.
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It drives me crazy that some cultures only send voice messages to each other. It drives me crazy they can't be respectful of my time and use STT+AI to convert their 90 second monologue to a few written sentences.
cicko 34 minutes ago [-]
If you spend your life sitting in a chair, that's fine. I tend to get all kinds of ideas, questions, and research needs while I'm walking around. Typing a paragraph or two or context takes too much time and is very risky. Especially when driving. But also just walking, cooking, cleaning, etc. Sometimes it's just not practical - winter, carrying stuff... I mostly feel privileged if I can just sit at a computer and type my question and have the time to read the answer.
QuantumNomad_ 36 minutes ago [-]
When I was still using OpenAI, I used it among other things to translate from English to Spanish while talking to Spanish-speaking people in person.
I understand a bit Spanish but I don’t speak Spanish yet, and they don’t speak English.
I speak English to the AI and end with “translate to Spanish, translation only”, and then the AI says the thing I was saying in Spanish (not perfect but good enough, and also it has a slightly weird accent that might be it using English or English influenced text to speech even when speaking Spanish sentences?).
arcanemachiner 48 minutes ago [-]
Much faster and better flow. Don't knock it til you've tried it.
throawayonthe 59 minutes ago [-]
it's very confusing. maaaybe if the stt is good and fast enough, speaking may be faster? english speakers can probably hit 150-180 wpm but seems like a hassle
perching_aix 17 minutes ago [-]
It's easier, faster, and more natural to talk than to type for the vast, vast majority of people.
This trivial fact of life is observed every day by e.g.:
- students taking notes and finding it necessary to only jot down key facts so that they can keep up,
- stenographers who require special training and equipment to keep up verbatim with live speech in the courtroom,
- annoying colleagues who insist on "hopping on a quick call" or arranging big, wasteful, and disruptive meetings instead of just writing down their problem / sending a message or email,
- friends who insist on sending short voice messages in DMs instead of typing, because it's more "personal" that way (which to be fair it is, but not to the extent proclaimed).
What has been going on with deepseek recently? I have gotten lots of replies in Chinese and even more frequently, reasoning in Chinese as well.
Is it a new silent update?
throwa356262 52 seconds ago [-]
Happened to me with Claude, doesn't need to be a China thing.
k__ 35 minutes ago [-]
Maybe, you could pipe it through T5 or something.
Shank 3 hours ago [-]
Well, it is a Chinese model, maybe it thinks better in Chinese?
bogdan 2 hours ago [-]
Hànzì can use 30%-40% fewer tokens than English. So, yes, it probably thinks better in Chinese.
Razengan 1 hours ago [-]
If so, would other models like ChatGPT benefit from translating the user's prompt to Chinese/Japanese and thinking in Hanzi/Kanji and then converting the response back to the user's language before displaying it?
cocoflunchy 1 hours ago [-]
I believe that most reasoning models actually think in their own "language" which is not really understandable by humans. The thinking traces that are shown in the UI are actually summaries generated by a smaller model in plain english (or user language). Sometimes this leaks through and you see some chinese/japanese characters in e.g. Claude's reasoning.
dryarzeg 38 minutes ago [-]
As far as I'm aware, it's not true for models like DeepSeek or other Chinese open-weight models (at least those that I have seen); their reasoning traces are fully composed from some human language, be it English, Chinese or another one; by the way, most of them can adapt their reasoning based on user language, for example, if user speaks English the reasoning more likely will be in English.
I think that for DeepSeek problem (thinking and replying in Chinese) everything is kinda simpler: in their official chat, they're probably using some kind of system prompt which is (probably) written in Chinese, so that's why model may prefer Chinese in it's output.
kgeist 31 minutes ago [-]
Summaries by different smaller models are usually made by closed proprietary models like Claude as a way to combat the distillation of real reasoning traces by competitors. Open weight models show the real reasoning traces. Reasoning traces operate in the same space as the non-reasoning output. It's all just one large text for an LLM. Internally, reasoning is just ordinary chat completion between <think></think> tags.
it's a hint that you should start learning the new Lingua Franca.
serf 2 hours ago [-]
This happens to me a lot when I ask a qwen3.6 model to respond to a question in JSON. No clue why.
surgical_fire 2 hours ago [-]
I use DeepSeek daily, never happened to me.
I use the API however, not the chat interface.
abyssin 3 hours ago [-]
It doesn’t seem that recent to me, at least been like that for six months.
RIshabh235 3 hours ago [-]
yes, kind of silent update plus they might have better chinese datasets and user data for their training, that might be leading to chinese preference.
alfiedotwtf 2 hours ago [-]
Are you running out of context? I’ve found that tooling and giberish most of the time happens when I’m butting up against the high watermark of my context window. One other thing it could be, I’ve read that lower quanta like Q1 and Q2 for smaller models can leak Chinese
epolanski 3 hours ago [-]
It never happened to me with Deepseek, but it happened multiple times with Kimi 2.6.
It also happened a handful of times with Anthropic models.
insumanth 36 minutes ago [-]
Multi-Modal is the way to go.
Deepmind nailed this a long back.
Zababa 18 minutes ago [-]
Deepmind hasn't produced any frontier model since Gemini 3.0 pro though.
throwaw12 2 hours ago [-]
I wish they published a post where we read about capabilities, quality, accuracy and other parameters
tornikeo 3 hours ago [-]
I really need this as an API.
Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek.
Can't wait to have it available on deepseek.
5701652400 43 minutes ago [-]
same here. I am using Gemini 2.5 Flash as VSCode "vision proivder" for Deepseek V4 Pro, but it is expensive and not accurate. can't wait for native Deepseek vision.
If they'd do one of those little extraneous additions like Qwen does, so that I can have DS4 Flash with Vision that would be great. I've got to run a separate model entirely so that I can get vision and I'd prefer to just put it all in one space.
RIshabh235 2 hours ago [-]
Maybe they will do now as they got huge funding.
earth2mars 3 hours ago [-]
And it's really good and fast. Have tested with bunch of odd photos on what is happening. Overall the training set seems large enough to know what's what and where
RIshabh235 3 hours ago [-]
yes and I hope their rate of shipping increases after recent funding.
crvdgc 3 hours ago [-]
Vision has been in A/B testing for a while now (at least in China). Is there an official announcement that this will be available for everyone?
RIshabh235 3 hours ago [-]
I haven't seen any official announcement yet, works for me though.
alexwwang 1 hours ago [-]
Does the api support vision yet?
RIshabh235 1 hours ago [-]
No announcements about it yet.
alexwwang 59 minutes ago [-]
That makes sense. I haven’t found it work in api yet.
innis226 3 hours ago [-]
Nice, is this available in the API now as well?
naseemali925 3 hours ago [-]
I am also waiting on the vision support in API. Its the only thing blocking me from buying their subscription.
dakolli 2 hours ago [-]
What subscription?
naseemali925 1 hours ago [-]
I mean't topup. They don't have subsciptions.
RIshabh235 3 hours ago [-]
Not in the api yet.
4 hours ago [-]
tw1984 1 hours ago [-]
what is more interesting to me is why it takes so long for them to support vision.
does it implies that Liang believes vision/voice is less important on its way to AGI?
RIshabh235 50 minutes ago [-]
Might be compute bottleneck due to the US chips act and migrating to Huawei ecosystem.
thiago_fm 41 minutes ago [-]
Just wait until they release their coding model. Once they do an Opus-level coding model, the sandcastle of the AI economy in the US will fall
el_io 26 minutes ago [-]
They had deepseek-coder.
hklohani 3 hours ago [-]
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andrewstuart 3 hours ago [-]
OpenAI and Anthropic need to get this free foreign competition banned.
0xpgm 57 minutes ago [-]
Is that before or after the OpenAI and Anthropic pay off all the people and companies who's copyrights were violated when they used their works for free to train their models?
At least DeepSeek freely gives back the benefits.
epolanski 3 hours ago [-]
Care to expand on why? Or did you forgot the /s at the end?
dudisubekti 2 hours ago [-]
I feel like '/s' has ruined irony on the internet. Irony is at its best if left ambiguous, lol.
pjc50 10 minutes ago [-]
Too many people have said too many stupid things entirely seriously.
cromka 2 hours ago [-]
Nah, they're serious actually!
Weryj 2 hours ago [-]
Wait, did that need a /s?
ReptileMan 2 hours ago [-]
If everything goes to plan everyone involved with big US models will be trillionaire and everyone else will poor and unemployed. If there are open and cheap to run Chinese models (and please god silicon) the financial house of cards that we have build will fall, people involved with big US models will be poor and unemployed, and everyone else will be slightly less poor and unemployed than in the first scenario.
What is good for Dario is good for America.
andrewstuart 2 hours ago [-]
Why do you think it’s free?
Any ideas, theories where they get their payoff?
cromka 2 hours ago [-]
Yes, subscription options they sell on deepseek.com
Personally, I'm a bit surprised the DS chat app still doesn't offer its own text to speech and speech to text features (I know DS doesn't have any ASR model for example, but there are quite a few in the open).
As someone who would rather send a slack message to a coworker rather than actually walking over and talk to them, the idea of having to talk with my laptop is not appealing at all, haha.
My current flow is: Google Eloquent to capture 127WPM (my typing is best case is 65wpm). This lets me get the thoughts out without thinking too much about structure or flow, the same way I would brain-dump type it.
Next I use AI to compress, summarize, and restructure to create a clear coherent message for my peer to read (which is way faster for them).
When communicating with AI, its the same thing, except I skip the second step since AI does a good job at understanding my ramblings.
----
It drives me crazy that some cultures only send voice messages to each other. It drives me crazy they can't be respectful of my time and use STT+AI to convert their 90 second monologue to a few written sentences.
I understand a bit Spanish but I don’t speak Spanish yet, and they don’t speak English.
I speak English to the AI and end with “translate to Spanish, translation only”, and then the AI says the thing I was saying in Spanish (not perfect but good enough, and also it has a slightly weird accent that might be it using English or English influenced text to speech even when speaking Spanish sentences?).
This trivial fact of life is observed every day by e.g.:
- students taking notes and finding it necessary to only jot down key facts so that they can keep up,
- stenographers who require special training and equipment to keep up verbatim with live speech in the courtroom,
- annoying colleagues who insist on "hopping on a quick call" or arranging big, wasteful, and disruptive meetings instead of just writing down their problem / sending a message or email,
- friends who insist on sending short voice messages in DMs instead of typing, because it's more "personal" that way (which to be fair it is, but not to the extent proclaimed).
Is it a new silent update?
I think that for DeepSeek problem (thinking and replying in Chinese) everything is kinda simpler: in their official chat, they're probably using some kind of system prompt which is (probably) written in Chinese, so that's why model may prefer Chinese in it's output.
Or hallucinated
https://github.com/JuliusBrussee/caveman
I use the API however, not the chat interface.
It also happened a handful of times with Anthropic models.
Turns out, to use Claude Agents SDK, you need to have a vision enabled API. If Deepseek API could see, it can fully drive Claude Code and Claude Agents SDK. A project I'm working on relies on a Claude-in-CloudflareWorker setup and I've been relying on Qwen and gemini flash lite, both more expensive than Deepseek.
Can't wait to have it available on deepseek.
does it implies that Liang believes vision/voice is less important on its way to AGI?
At least DeepSeek freely gives back the benefits.
What is good for Dario is good for America.
Any ideas, theories where they get their payoff?